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Ubuntu is Dead [Jun. 6th, 2008|01:45 pm]
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As illustrated by this bug (which got closed as "invalid"), the Ubuntu world has become infested with red tape, abuse, unfriendliness and hubris. So my suggestion is to stay a clear mile away of anything Ubuntu and to switch to Debian, Mandriva, Archlinux, FreeBSD, Fedora, CentOS or any of the other fine distributions with much healthier communities. Which one you choose depends on your needs and the situation.

This is especially in consideration of all the horror stories I heard of Ubuntu Hardy getting hang-up. I have spoken against Ubuntu before, but I may have missed the point, and it's possible the problems I've discovered recently are more recent.

The bug in question was closed because it wasn't a software bug, but that is also the case for the infamous bug #1.

In short, Ubuntu is dying now, but with enough determination on the part of its leaders, it can be resurrected. But this will require a huge inside motivation, and a lot of serious soul-searching. In the meanwhile, don't get near Ubuntu.

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From: (Anonymous)
2008-06-07 09:04 am (UTC)

Ubuntu dead != Some people can't be helped

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Dear Shlomi,

Concluding that Ubuntu is dead from what you've encountered is rather radical. The decision to close the bug is, in my view, completely correct. And as for bug #1, I guess that is more of a wink to the greater community, which cannot be said about bug #237852.

If you have a dispute with other people it might pay off to investigate your own attitude, stance, acting, etc. You wrote you got banned from another forum/list/channel. Now something similar has happened. Before jumping to any conclusions, I thought I'd read your "philosophical" introduction properly. Funny you should mention you don't think much of pedantry, it is the very word that sprung to mind after reading your introduction. I'm convinced there are people out there that treat you not correctly; I think we all have such encounters. Just don't forget you always have a choice.

Well, Shlomi, take care and perhaps you'll find the time to master a few exercises in introspection...

Regards,
Robert
[User Picture]From: shlomif
2008-06-09 09:47 am (UTC)

Update

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Replying to myself, I'd like to note that per the suggestion on the bug report, I moved the discussion to the Ubuntu IRC Team mailing list. Here is the thread in question. As one can see from the first two responses, the Ubuntu mailing lists are just as fragmented, over-specialised and full-of-red-tape as their IRC channels. Furthermore, after I commented about the fragmentation of the IRC channels, I was responded that they don't think it was so (without an adequat eexplanation).

Therefore, I decided to stop trying to fix the Ubuntu social problems, and to instead have them suffer the consequences of them without my intervention. I decided that I will not use Ubuntu, will recommend against it, and also will have a policy against helping people with their Ubuntu problems.

Otherwise, I have better things to do than to trash Ubuntu. Yesterday, I made a lot of progress with my fortune-cookies-as-XML system, and it felt good writing code again. I also worked on a lot of essays and made progress with some of my stories.

From: (Anonymous)
2011-10-23 01:33 pm (UTC)

Re: Update

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its not only Ubuntu:
as long as GRUB archaic systems are used UNIX WILL and SHOULD DIE
whenever for the basic system you need to know the internal
hardware organization before you can do anything you stupidly need a specialist for the simplest things this is a killer to advancement

ex Ubuntu 11.04 11/10 INSTALL DIES ALWAYS ON GRUB meaning for months
there is no working release.. explaining GRUB is a pain in the ass
it takes days to solve minor problems harder problems take weeks or months

this is 2011 not 1950 GRUB IS THE OLDEST REOCURING PROBLEM IN IT